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Saturday, April 27, 2013

Friday Night Shabbat at Lower East Synogague. The singing of a Friday night prayer while some women were talking.

Sadly Rabbis and organized religion does play on envy between the genders to benefit themselves at the expense of their own people.  Photo from:. www.preservationnation.org


Some Jews claim that a women singing is somehow a problem calling it Kol Isha. I don't see what the issue is why shouldn't women sing when appropriate.  The idea it will make men act badly or just with uncontrollable lust is just absurd. 

Nothing biblical about it. But then when a song is son you hear guys singing it while women are chatting in their section of the shul. To me it is very annoying as if the women don't take the prayer seriously and men should pray or sing while they chat. I don't see the torah requiring Jews to pray 3 times a day in which they force the men to do this instead of sacrifices but the think is for sacrifices in appearing at the temple men were only required to show up three times a year not three time a day.

As this was going on I walked out it just made me uncomfortable to see men singing while women are just chatting in the women section. To be fair it was 2/3 women but still.

To me it just seemed like false prayer. We can pray to God as much as we want but if the female of our people just use this as an excuse to chat doesn't seem to be good for unity in a family. 

If you feel prayer is important (which in my own view prayer can't just be by wrote and wasn't required three times a day) but regardless if the men are doing something for God the women should want ot be part of rather then just chat about other things which that kind of attitude does not create a healthy environment as women just want men to use God so they can get ahead of their own men which is not a good thing and wanting to keep their own men does create serious problems.

Friday Nigh Sabbat Dinner at the Lower East Side Syngogue. Why 13 for Bar Mitzvah question I asked the Rabbi

   I went tonight to a dinner that I ended up being there for only 30 minutes as seemed like very few people but would've stayed anyway except the atmosphere really turned me off.

  Anyway, it started by the Rabbi saying hello and was nice enough.

  Someone then asked about if women ever say in front and men in the back and the Rabbi said when we had a Bat Mitzvah as he said this was the only Halachic way to do it and this was the first Bat Mitzvah in the shul.

  It got me to ask when when did Bar Mitzvah's start and why 13? Since someone Bat Mitzvah's as I feel Bar Mitzvah was an invention as well.


  As the torah only mentions the age of 20 a number of times. With serving in the Legion to protect their camp and with the sin of the spies only those over 20 were punished. So, where does 13 come from? The Rabbi answered that this was for the military but I asked also about the Sin of the spies and he said well maybe those under 20 didn't commit it.

Photo from.www.preservationnation.org  Pretty sure this was the shul I was at. 



  In most Western Countries 20 or 21 was the age you could vote originally

  Which I also mentioned and said well they likely got that from the bible. And he said it doesn't matter but I again asked why 13. I told him when I was 13 I still had a boys voice and not a man's voice.

  He responded by saying that this is the age where you could know right and wrong and in America if you committed a crime at 15 or so you wouldn't be considered fully liable and be considered a juvenile  but under Judaism you would be.

  So he was putting down America as well that he would think harsher punishment for anyone over 13 while America makes a distinction between those under 18 and at one point it was 21.