Monday, December 20, 2010

Jacob Blesses Judah.

The term Jew comes from the tribe of Judah. In this weeks portion Jacob blesses and curses his various children.

The first one he blesses is his 4th child as the first 3 Jacob criticized and they lost their right as the older child.

When it comes to Judah though Jacob says: Judah- you, your brothers should acknowledge (Genesis 49:8). Please read the rest if you are interesting in the blessing.


SouthernBelle Rivky said...

We pretty much covered all of Genesis together!!!!! Really exciting I think! Although I didn't always comment, did read. Wish I knew more to have better discussions at your level.

Thank you for being such a great study partner, although you are also very very tough one too! :)

Analytical Adam said...

Well thank you. We should want our men to be tough and not just pushovers. I know people are afraid of men that are tough and rather then me change I would hope you could tell others to stop wanting men to be pushovers which is not really a good trait.

In some ways you're comments have caused me to realize certain things that I would not have realized.

That is one thing I don't think is a good thing by the way and that is that much of torah learning today men do just with other men and I think that leads to gaps in your understanding of Torah especially in a book like Genesis. Or have a class just for women.

It is the perfect area to have a class for both genders as you have much to talk about. If we believe torah is our lifeblood and we should talk about it and a woman is suppose to be a man's helpmate and man is suppose to cling to his wife how could he not talk with his wife about torah. If he doesn't I think he is violating what God said to him that he should cling to his wife.

SouthernBelle Rivky said...

Mr. Adam, the context of saying your a 'tough' partner was because you are very learned and because of that it is challenging. So tough=challenging, that's all I meant. And well very clearly you're Ashkenaz too which is different than what I'm use to as well. Different as in different style, don't read anything more than that.

So 'tough' meant sort of like if someone spoke another language, say French, one was fluent and the other person didn't know much, but a little French. Conversation would be 'tough' in the challenging and difficult situation, but that doesn't mean bad.

Not intending you need to change anything. Not 'tough' as in opposite of pushover or wimpy. Got it???

It's cool you like studying with a girl... :)
By the way, if you need cheered up or anything, you can also email me if you don't to tell everyone reading.

Analytical Adam said...

OK. Well it is nice to hear from you.

I do think that torah should be shared between a husband and wife if you really believe the wife is suppose to be the man's helpmate. She should help in the preservation of the torah from generation to generation which the men as the head of the household have the highest obligation in the family to do. And in understanding it as well.

This idea of two men arguing over Gemarah I wounder how this developed.

SouthernBelle Rivky said...

I like what you think. Makes you very attractive :) I wish other people thought like that too. I hope we can study more. :)

That is what really bothers me about the Rabbi Akiba and Rachel story. I don't know how much of it is true and how much of it was built up. But to go far away for 12 years and then another 12 years isn't really much of a marriage and would be really lonely. Not to mention in some versions, they already had a kid too. I know the overall moral is self-sacrifice which is good for the greater good, but that's a long time to be away. Maybe you know more details than what I heard.

Analytical Adam said...

Southernbelle wrote:>I know the overall moral is self-sacrifice which is good for the greater good,<

I am not so sure to be honest with you. God doesn't want us to be like monks and just roll in the mud and then think we are holier then everyone else.

Some of these Rabbi stories like you said I don't know what is true and what is legend. I know Rabbi Wein has said some of the stories weren't really the truth. You likely know more about Rabbi Akiva then I do.

In a more recent case in the 1800's is the case of the Chafetz Chaim.

His wife worked while he learned (and to be fair about it she likely knew this from the beginning) but I read one of the artscroll books about CC that at one point he came home and his wife was distraught and he just got angry and yelled Satin you are not gong to interfere with my learning (or something similar) and left.

Analytical Adam said...

Part 2:

Anyway later on his life the Chafetz Chaim had a meeting with all the women in the congregation (and kept men out) and bragged that this is the first time this shul has no men in it (which of course isn't true because CC is man).

A Rabbi wrote this on Frum Community. Here is the link.

Click here
and I was shocked to read it that CC was mean to his own wife when it is his job to work but worse he panders to other men wives to make up for this.

This Rabbi of course was speaking positively about the Chafetz Chaim. So none of this is new under the sun.

If other men spent all this time away from their wife I don't think the male Rabbi's position would be it is ok. It is just a double standard that the Rabbi's have different rules for themselves then for others which isn't right IMO and in general I don't think it is good for many reasons for a leader of religion to be away from his wife for so long when that doesn't need to be the case.
I understand the situation with Moses (with Miriam criticism) but clearly it had to be done. You certainly don't look to do this and Moses didn't look to be different.

Analytical Adam said...

I do think in some area's women do to their activities and general strengths would be able to preserve better. Since they have to keep a kosher home more so then the men just from personal experience they should have something to share.

I think some of the animals in Leviticus that we aren't allowed to eat today we don't know what they are sadly and maybe if women were involved we would know better since they are sometimes better at remembering names and lists then men are and I think are more involved in cooking the animal although the man I guess hunting the animal so actually he should know too. Just sharing my thoughts going through my mind here.

Analytical Adam said...

Anyway this link is on the bottom as it goes on descending order. I thought I would repost and comment.

From Article:I ask myself regularly if I really want to be holy.

In the year 1930 the Chofetz Chaim traveled to Vilna.

He went to speak in the oldest and most central Shul in Vilna. In honor of the Gadol HaDor all the candles were lit and the tall beams that held up the roof were ornately decorated. The hand carved Aron HaKodesh was brilliantly polished. A half-hour before the scheduled talk the Shul was already completely full. The saintly rabbi stood radiantly at the pulpit and made history. The slightness of his body somehow emphasized the greatness of his soul. People described a sort of spiritual light that the tzadik exuded.

Why was this a historic occasion? Because the Shul was full of women. Many men were crowded outside to catch a glimpse or perhaps a blessing of the Chofetz Chaim but there was a guard at the door that didn't allow the men into the Shul.

What was the Chofetz Chaim's message? “Kedoshim Tihyu!” You must be holy! Not vicariously through your husbands or your Rav or even through your children - you yourselves must be holy. Kedoshim Tihyu, you must be holy just like Hashem is holy!”

The Chofetz Chaim ended his talk by pointing out that the evenings event was the first time since the Vilna Shul was built 500 years earlier, that the Shul was filled with women only. The event, he said, should be recorded in the history books.

The Chofetz Chaim then turned around and opened the Aron HaKodesh. Everyone jumped to their feet. The Chofetz Chaim, a Kohein, recited the Birchas Kohein, and blessed the women with parnossa, health and Shalom. END OF QUOTE FROM ARTICLE.

MY COMMENTS: Read what I wrote before two comments up from here (this is so crazy that CC somehow thinks he somehow isn't a man)

but in addition isn't a nice that CC blessed women with Parnosa. That is the man's responsibility. But also nothing here to bless the women that they have children if they are barren.

We are so mixed up. It is the man's responsibility to have children and the woman's responsibility to work. And you wonder why Orthodoxy is such a small percent of all Jews even though they love to pretend otherwise. And why are overall birth rates are low which comment on this on the other post on "false fertility rates" since I admit I am crossing over a little.

SouthernBelle Rivky said...

What I meant for greater good was doing something that jointly or family would be a better decision than what you would do as an individual. Like relocating or changing jobs (i.e you might like a traveling job as a single, but a local job would be better for a family). Or in the case of studying, especially if going back to school for a degree to get a better job. A couple may jointly decide a sacrifice in time, money, personal preferences, etc. may be better overall for a couple or family situation than what they would have done if they were singles. I think you'd agree with that.
We both I think have the same issues with full time learning men. Unless very wealthy or rabbinic family, no one's grandparents had full time learners since people had to earn a living too. So I don't see how living apart for years, especially in one version of the Rabbi Akiba legend, they had a kid, is a smart idea.

I've seen comments about Chofetz Chaim too including the story you pasted here. Supposedly it's encouraging to women, but I don't get anything out of it. For the most part, I've never really felt inspired by women's shuirs, and generally feel very silly and that I wasted my time. Really sounds like content wasn't something that men couldn't also come to it as well. There are a number of other stories I've heard that I wasn't really impressed with. Well meaning the 'moral' of the story just seemed weird and the story itself is problematic to me.

Another CC story I heard was once someone bought groceries for Shabbos and left their package of fresh fish behind and didn't come back for it. The clerk couldn't remember the customer. So CC's 'solution' was to give every customer that came in the next few days free fish so the store wasn't 'stealing'. CC clearly didn't have kop for business. Uumm..I don't see how this rectifies since there's no guarantee person with the lost fish got it. Probably didn't since they probably didn't shop every day. Why not just keep track so in case someone comes back later, you give them the missing fish. I don't know how an unclaimed object becomes considered like it's stolen but maybe you know. Like I said we don't know what the actual situation was and what was embellished or outright misleading.

Analytical Adam said...

SouthernBelle wrote:>What I meant for greater good was doing something that jointly or family would be a better decision than what you would do as an individual. <

OK. I agree that it is problematic for a man to spend so long away from his wife and doesn't send the right message and I don't see how the benefits outweighed the problems. It doesn't seem it led to a better transmission of the torah.

I do think it is important for a man to have some sort of living that is mostly honest and hopefully can come home at least on the Shabbath. That is more important then a job that is nearby or that has little travel but the politics and the kind of job you have to do is mostly immoral that is not good and having a father that makes a living in an overall bad way isn't a good role model for their children anyway. Sometimes jobs that pay more require more travel that is why they pay more because there is less of a supply for the job since it requires some travel.

But if someone can do something at home or even a business that his wife helps him with I think that is great and the best situation but sometimes that isn't possible and that is why God created a Shabbath for that 6 days you have to work and one day if for more other activities that aren't just you working for your family. A day to think more then just about yourself and family.

In terms of FULL TIME LEARNERS at this point I don't support it. Maybe if you work for 6 years and you are successful you can take a year off to devote to other matters. But for anyone to have this replace working at the end of the day there are gong to distort the religion since a man working is the first story in the bible.

Also, I do hold the women accountable who marry men like this knowing what they are. That they reward men like this. It offends me as an unmarried men who thinks a man is suppose to work. In my family I had a cousin who married who only worked part time and she did because she wanted to make more money then he did. Se she is part of the problem. Men would not do this if women didn't reward them and I think there reason is because they have their own twisted agenda like showing they can be the primary breadwinner and that the roles of the bible are outdated which sorry they are not.

Analytical Adam said...

The other item I really don't like about CC is I really don't agree with his interpretation of Loshon Hara laws which seem more concerned about protecting the wrong doer then the possible victims of that person.

Also I really don't see him as someone that really practiced what he preached when it came to area's that affected him. He was very critical of anyone that didn't fit his style of Orthodoxy or even went to college and claimed they went off the path and some didn't. Isn't that violated his own rules.

I will say though for most of my life the fact that he didn't work didn't even make me think that this was wrong as for a man to make a living isn't easy. And being a religious man means this kind of lifestyle of learning which I now know is not what God wants. But so many boys (and girls too I think) from when they are young read these books and it distorts what they are suppose to be. I use to support feminism because I really did believe the propaganda that men had it easy and didn't know Blu Greenbergs husbands background and had a family that didn't let me do anything myself.

Analytical Adam said...

And one last point I know I am sort of beating a dead horse but in an area like gossip that should be an area where CC could have wanted some input from his wife.